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by Randy Frushour AKA ZDecade - Harold like any other teacher would first argue "he is always learning and gaining deeper insight and understanding." After all the scriptures are a complex arangement of issues specifically here for the matter of the end times that are sealed up until the end which would explain the difficult matter Harold does have anyway whether your persuasion or mine, regarding piecing the sealed End-Of-Days puzzle together. The greatest of prophetic teachers are still inept with subject until we are at THE END as we would admit if we would actually just read the little book (also Revelation 10) of Daniel ourselves and of course with an amount of dictionary study. The whole vision and Nebuchadnezzars dream are matter of a time after which the prophecies are unsealed at The End, and is an alloted inheritance "for and of" Daniel (chapter 12) who I believe describes information about John and his Revelation material. To the point - if Harold stresses or overstates, or even flat out wrongly teaches (but in fact he unlike most bible teachers conducts a discussion and not a facist insistance on meanings as just because one has a doctorate or name recognition) the meaninings so what of real truths he's opinionating but is not running for president. You and others should direct your objections about literal truths to point where it best effects our political system of bias and deceptive 1x2 party democracy while that's another subject.

You can visit a fair and balanced discussion of this forum with "soon forming registries and additional other prophetic forums," while I proudly do network with this forum that soon you will or must (want to) participate, signing or registering yourself to one or other of these beliefs, to either attend congregational worship or stay home or away AND BE known widely for your beliefs. This is a serious matter.


The body of Christendom to include for epoch matters "the wood, hay and stubble" as well of course the "gold, silver and precious stones" is little more than a pitifully poised miserable, hungry soul-mine, or better as poised the nation of Israel today under immense threat of distinction, dreadful danger and persecuting.

The disscussions involved include among various theological arguments "evangelicals vs. fundamentalists," "latter rain adherents vs' the Laodecian type church attendees," only some of even of personal believing or new preferences and is all a literal embarrassment of rebirth and new life experience building or else "is some more smoke and mirrors" of todays special interest politicians and their "script political agenda," propagating from party command central as new "state and personal business" politic!

Your views are invited and will be posted - or may remain private in archives as you request but please indicate.

Bob Baral says: St. Paul wrote of the apostasy to come in The Church at the end of The Church Age before the return of our Lord. He foresaw a time, not among pagans, but within The Church on earth, when men should come to love blasphemy, unholiness and themselves over the love of CHRIST, righteousness and The Holy Scriptures. These would be men within the very Body of our Lord on earth who would be proud of their wickedness openly, fiercely hateful of all who remain zealously faithful to The Lord.

These traitors and high-minded evildoers, standing even in the leadership of many Churches, having a mere outward form of Christianity, but denying CHRIST as Lord and The Word of GOD as Divine revelation to mankind! From such men the faithful Church is command to separate themselves from!


Our Former and Latter Rain Registry and Forum is an op-ed space for posturing yourself individually in the end-of-days as the note by Joel the Hebrew prophet in his message about multitudes, multitudes in the "Valley Of Decision" as posting personal comments though more importantly signing up on one column or other as is a position "we either stay away from church assembling or find our belief contrariwise as that the holy spirit's work is as yet unhindered in church work and so do personally prefer to go to church meetings as does the body of the former rain catagorical group has in the 1950+ years of the church age."


Our volitile days remind me of a penumbra appearing cascaded across some great, stretched mountainous ridge effectually mainstaying psychological developement of our collective "records and facts" throughout the collective identities, that we do contact one another with known as consciousness whether or not is historical. While developementalists today avoid connecting physics with the soul with its issues or so they state, the work of more traditional spiritualists and also does lay Christianity's personalities go on ahead right even in the midst of plentiful supernatural quantum continuums aka new age experiments upon which their Christian tennents plainly state "ought not be observed" and next soon a shadowy border for the two-sided ecliptic obscure unevenly alike toward our perceptions of truth and facts. Now as Christians awake better to "new age" presence concerted by the long awaited and prophesied "Christs and Prophets" though they all are of course false, but such, in delaying holier opportunities to "let their light shine" instead politicise them in several of thier contests inside homes, at church, in townhalls and on open street air but either they are in real denial or, as yet unawakened spiritual eyes and or ears, passing so into the wider epocal periods known as the "great day" of the Lord (a future or coming world) ascending on humanity directional of mind toward the ancient days and still wonder "how can judgement actually occur now on us?"


Such prompts the publisher to implement a "two column" registry that people individually can sign up on one side or other only, besides enroll or member-post concerns that are personal, or voice up their base support for or against these current text-level divisional epochs or "calandered events" of the age now comming to an end and embracing the new millennium known in Christendom as St. John and Daniels exegesis.
My previous hypothesis on the topic having large and detailed material is modified as posted expecting viewership contributory opinions going nowafter unedited, while included with registering your position as regards the end of the church age - so either attending the corporate congregation~ or for strictly staying clear home and so "as away from church congregation." The registry effectively stands for personal clarification those other who oppose the belief that the "end of the church age" means discontinuation of assembling under church structure on the sabboth day under higher pastered or priestly authority.

It is challenging enough that one adopt this postural biblical command because in doing this practice for 1950 years ceremoniously as practicing ritual worship. In expectation before any of us would reconsider a decision, and also considering as a great many these days are deciding to join the latter rain ranks but with line-spiritual instruction aware that not every true believer let alone those who just profess to be so, will be spiritually quickened to Gods revisionist "word of ramma and commandment" immediately to make such committment though exists even more volumous and plain passages today to help us consider the place of God's message in our world. And in understanding the focal point, while true we do accept in the body of Christ, that it IS GOD alone who might separate the chaff from the wheat we can address the real points of consideration as in outset while, real countdown to events beginning the millennial reign of Christ get underway.




My US publisher blog exiting out this 20 Zer0es (the 2000's) first decade will dissect weak and mindless commentaries running parallel to real crisis in the Christian body maybe not as God our father precisely sees it but certainly the Son (as dichotomy as it seems), as it was he who paid the indescribable price for victory over permanent death with his death, and while now not at all here a crisis of words or "living language" of Gods spirit in a ramma word for his people of our time, more often is the case people are difficult to open to the discussion.

True some bible teachers are even appearing as vague on several topics but being a child of God and in perfect obedience to his loving will AND TO Gods call on lives of willing individuals we can only say yet they are still men and do, make mistakes if even literal errors which is what Camping may have a perpensity at but even for the record, he himself says often he was erroneous about the 1994 claim.
But I contend he's not running for president and on this crusade or campaign and he presents his thesis quite well in a scriptural backed exegesis regarding "removal of Holy Spirit" from church congregations and does so pretty strong or conclusively to successful spreading of his message of the latter rain globally as unparalleled.

Now what is weak it seems to me and many others probably is "rifle remarks by peripheral sharpshooters" over into crowds of curious and interested viewership who have also their own collossal and historical involvement as cosmic energy in this movement (of God) regarding HIS MESSAGE on armageddon, millennial reign, judgement day and "eternal salvation," which of course we know (when) at some point the unsealing of Daniels and St. Johns prophecies in becoming mainstream news and popular epoch, there surely would changes be made by the faithful followers prioritizing their daily choices as though this will be their last or next to last days on earth.
Christians will naturally includerapture activities as the moments before actual departure and few trip readinesses will they have to disregard for example attempts to argue and debate amateur or unrealistic analysts commenting around religion and on religious disputings or for that matter avoiding the support to sectarian alinings that will only become ongoing discussions and if do more than continue conversation in failing world and courts-of-public-opinion where "they (gold, silver and precious stone christians), no longer will reside" or dwell anyways unordinary as this may sound.

The sectarian view here as bad as it is, gets more complicated evolving for us about the very very end of the age known as the "former and latter rain movement" that my publication brand targets as, the Prophet Joels passage references to "the former and latter rain in the first month" and as to new or unturning revelations and epochs headline. This is open for commentaries, arguement or even disagreement as to Joels literal meaning, however it actually only effects a platform appearance of Christianity outwardly as the ministry is gaining new - and as well loosing some - people every single day to opposite viewpoint, or altogether the faith entirely but again if also, some people towards (in their thinking) the resurrection faith - but as undecided to one latter rain view or the other yet.
Ramblings in sharpshooter charachterizations on brother Camping with regards "the heart of God" to save souls for eternity is there a whole case largly defenced I'd say which a few rifle pot shots only as attempts, at the most, to siderail the salvation theme but do it by shooting the messenger (figuritively speaking).
What a travesty of soul survivorship and you call yourselves believers or maybe you do not! If true the latter why involve your opinion?
Find something actually productive to debate.
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"Family Radio Is Wrong dot com" says through remarks within their title and commentaries following:
Where is the Holy Spirit?
"Mr. Camping says that the Holy Spirit is no longer operating in local churches to save people...
However, 2nd Thes chapter 2 indicated there will be a time when the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the midst. We must understand then that the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the temple. That is, He will remove Himself from the congregations and denominations that had become a part of the temple of God (end of Harold Campings quotes).
- They (The Family Radio Is Wrong dot com we site) go on now to say "Isn't the Holy Spirit dwelling within individual believers, not entities like denominations?"
They use,
Acts 17:24 "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands" and Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you - to shore up their (Family Radio All Wrong Dot Com) theory."


That heralds to me "rifle shooting" that I set out on the page above and I now ask, you the viewer, "doesn't this smack of stupidly arguing pointless, anachronistic, empty semantics" or maybe just a foul play on words as simply anyone could turn words around to support their position if let alone substantiate their view. "Family Radio Is All Wrong dot com site" in fact "is" who plainly and literally is ALL WARPED, because they are making a false claim using the term "denominations" against Herold who could care less finally what denomination anyone is if you listen long to him. He's on clear radio an hour and a half 5 nites a week worldwide. He nor anyone in his camp accuses denominations or for that matter, any particular denomination of anything - only of "corporal organized church assembling" for, I can suppose an advantage of careers and high(er) places prevalent for 1950 years and in reviews he does additionally comment as this. The message (the real) Family Radio is spreading worldwide is toward everyone and is, that simply, the holy spirit is not applying himself to the words and messages going out to the members and attendees from pulpits regardless of doctrinal or denominational preferences and practices any longer. And while that may be assured us dominantly there here is a sense of unifiing, that, there may (or may not if you're reading this page somewhere ahead in time eternally and which when the spirit epochally HAS LEFT) be the remains trickling behind of Christ's work still ongoing at church, but that doesn't at all support the "former rain view" as is dominant force in "the moving" but the decisively loosing (their) side in circled "worship discussion."
I am actually taking up the cause of former rain as writer-publisher but only to the degree as is scripturally based. That's why I say it's a weak arguement. Mr. Camping at least is making Gods business his business to these individual believers and these potshot rifleman are merely at best only skilled at rephrasing a small portion of Gods message to support their tentstakes of religion, if rather they would pray and hope "we the informed would not accuse them of being denominational (factional)" such as in the real world listening to rhetorical analysts restating "fundamentalists vs. evangelicals" all in the name of appropriating "church denominations or parading their self-rightous living." It's looking exactly like politicians who, in conversational review of their (congress and lobbys) solidarity over the weak public in the name and for the sake of judicial and legal order, who and what works to maintain death's grip on power and aristocratic control. Hardly realistic or nearly resemblant of democracy anyone can see anymore would you say?.

Iraq even after all the hooplah didn't have a popular vote in March Twenty O Five,
but I don't lay at president "W's" feet the outcome of this "cat-out-of-the-box global comotion even though he could steadily at the last debate that "the region hasn't or isn't nurtured along well enough as we'd hoped so (that) the inhabitants could live under democracy." For that matter though and he may, have to in the end so say that, "they (Babylonians) would probably get along perfectly fine (anyway) considering a new volatile world we live in," if it's nearby, but for a wider world of power agenda that awaits Iraq, Israel, Iran and Asia as general (read page writers revelations about the "deadly wound," unmistakenly to be "Asia" - when all the bombing stops), outcomed of subsequent biblical Armageddons battles some near day, the great Christian he tries to be unlikely will have accomplished much to change this world. It's not hard to see a suspicious though not unscriptural, war framing up in the mid east - here none at all what media-driven 'addresses would have us all believe - partisan to prophetic writings of the old and new testament prophets John, Daniel, Joel, Zechariah, Ezekiel, Isaiah and Jeremiah. Why anyone (world leaders) can longer wage or instill their personal, State or business campaigns or alliances big or small politically reasoned, if even maybe only (it's) clearly just to possibly at this point be a matter of "world peace" in general.


This western (and too world-wide though unreported, or as yet posted for a public forum) religious struggle is not even parenthetic necessities for prevention of crimes - in the real world - and I don't "say so myself from an individual scriptural basis, but rather it's just opinion I share as I view the whole matter!"

A discussion or debate about the real meaning of life and not rather "the deadly wound," though now, is highly speculative but later on will all too obvious deliver up to us the piece of meaningful puzzle - "which mountain (continent)" does the "deadly wound" passage in Book of Revelation refer to.

Your emails welcome - Randy





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